John Yoo wrote it up accordingly in his August 2002 torture memo (PDF) to CIA's John Rizzo: "Through your consultation with various individuals responsible for such [SERE] training, you have learned that these techniques have been used as elements of a course of conduct without any reported incident of prolonged mental harm."
Hence, this is an interesting case to ponder, today being Memorial Day and all, from a government record:
A May 1989 service medical screening form for survival, evade, resist and escape (SERE) training shows that the line for whether the veteran had been seen by a doctor or psychologist in the past three months was unchecked. The veteran reported he was under no emotional strain at present. It was commented that the veteran no longer drank or was dependent, and it was not felt this would be a problem.Interesting, eh?
A psychiatric disorder was not diagnosed at the appellant's February 1993 separation examination.
In February 1994, the veteran filed a claim of entitlement to service connection for an anxiety disorder.
On VA examination in March 1994, the veteran reported symptoms of anxiety and depression over the past few months. He stated the symptoms increased since his wife left him in November 1993. The veteran reported he had panic attacks in 1989, which started following in-service survival training. During the training, he was "drowned" on a torture board, and since then he had nightmares of the incident. He reported being distressed about the flashbacks and nightmares. The veteran stated that he continued with the survival training since he volunteered to do so. Prior to 1989, he did not have anxiety or panic attacks, but since then he had unusual fears.
After examination, it was commented that the veteran by history had symptoms of anxiety, panic disorder, and symptoms suggestive of PTSD. The trauma in his case was the training he had received in the military. The drowning incident had affected his life quite significantly. Although he had PTSD symptomatology, his disability was related to associated anxiety, depression, and psychosocial stressors, particularly regarding his two difficult marriages. The diagnoses were major depression, recurrent, in partial remission; PTSD, delayed, of mild severity; panic disorder, in remission; and history of alcohol use, active.
By rating action of April 1994, with notice to the veteran in the same month, service connection for PTSD was denied. The RO determined that the VA examiner accepted the veteran's report regarding the incident in service at face value, and there was no independent verification that the rigorous training actually existed.
Evidence included in the claims file subsequent to the April 1994 rating action, includes VA treatment records dating from December 1993 to December 2002 that show treatment for alcohol abuse, PTSD, panic disorder, depression, and anxiety. A record from December 1993 shows the veteran was seen with sleep disorder. He had a history of anxiety attacks for three and one-half weeks. He reported he could not sleep, and was paranoid and edgy. He thought this related to his survival training in service when drowning was simulated. The diagnostic impression was anxiety/depression and question panic.
A record from February 1994 shows the veteran reported anxiety and panic attacks. He had survival training in service where he was strapped and tied. A few months later, he started having panic attacks. Stressors were trauma while in a service prisoner of war training, leaving service, break up of marriage, and finding a place in civilian life. The impression was dysthymia, anxiety, panic, and adjustment reaction to civilian life.
A VA record from September 1998 notes that the veteran reported that he had experienced panic attacks over the prior 10 years which he believed stemmed from specialized "POW training" in service when he was nearly drowned. He believed that he was going to die and experienced panic attacks and nightmares ever since. He stated he drank to avoid panic attacks. He also described problems with relationships, and wanted to be isolated. A December 1998 record shows that the veteran had PTSD with the traumatic event being well documented in the record.
A Vet Center record from November 1998 shows that the veteran reported that in service he volunteered for a survival, evasion, resistance, and escape school in May 1989. He reported being tied, stripped of clothing and beaten. He also reported that a bag was placed over his head, an unloaded gun was placed to his head and the trigger was pulled. With respect to the drowning episode the veteran stated that he was strapped to a table with a cloth over his mouth and was unable to breath and water was poured in his mouth when the cloth was removed and replaced quickly to prevent breathing. He reported experiencing panic attacks one month later and having violent nightmares. The diagnosis was chronic PTSD....
In response to a request from the veteran sent to people who had been in the SERE program with the veteran, Mr. G. stated that he would like to help concerning the VA claim, however all events that occurred during SERE school were classified and could not be discussed without the service's permission.
Don't worry, I wouldn't bum you out on Memorial Day. There is a happy ending to this story. In June 2003, the VA heard this vet's appeal, and decided to consider a statement he made under oath in November 2001 about his experiences to constitute "new evidence", even though it mainly repeated his earlier story. In any case, the VA appeal board stated:
In light of the fact that the veteran has been diagnosed with PTSD, as the evidence shows that the appellant did experience a verified in-service stressor at SERE school, and as the SERE school experience is the basis for the diagnosis of PTSD, the undersigned finds that service connection for PTSD is in order.Now, this is not the only case in which a VA service connection for PTSD related to SERE training has taken place. A few years ago, I wrote about another such case here.
Given the inherent interest of these cases for their impact on the lies that were used to justify SERE-style torture and the psychological and permanent damage resulting therefrom -- even in school training -- lies presented by and to OLC, DoD, CIA, etc., and not to mention the fact that SERE training may just be too dangerous to use in general... how much media interest has there been in these cases? I'll tell you. Zero.
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I am evidence that it causes PTSD....
I am evidence that SERE causes PTSD....
I was tied between two posts had a number of turns of bare wire wrapped around each wrist and my ankles..They connected those wires to a hand cranked radio telephone generator and commenced to crank and crank. I screamed for what seemed like hours to me they burnt the hairs off of my arms from wrists to shoulders. Then took me down and wrapped my ankle to the top of a post putting me in tremendous back pain started kicking me in the back while pouring a canteen of water up my nose. These are goons not soldiers with integrity. I have a f***ed up back. No PTSD but I know what caused it and have been denied disability for 45 years.
I go in 2 days to see a federal judge to decide on my case where a v.a. will continue to deny my claim for all mentioned above by others. Every way they can they have lied, misled and done even more damage to me. I graduated sere May 1975. The same month and year the Church Committee convened for the c.i.a. to explain the drugging of our top scientist with l.s.d., the syphalis experiment with black soldiers among many things. In those days that school did not exist except as a black ops sight basically in the cascade mountains of Washington state. I began my claim knowing damn well I could be taken to a place that does not exist. We know where your family is and we will kill your mother if you ever speak of this. It was years before I could find any information about that place online. After gitmo came out then I was able to figure out what they had done to me. The v.a. denied cause I couldnt prove I was even there. Had them look at my dd214 they had for years. Told me last rejection though I had been diagnosed all these years with ptsd I had never been treated for ptsd. My current Dr.said What the hell do they think Ive been doing these past 3 years. I asked if he was really a dr. Which he didnt like. I told him they are trained to deny claims in Tampa v.a. He said to me yea they do. I asked how he knew that and he replied because I came from Tampa remember! My experience over these years has been that once you submit a cp claim the v.a. and every dr. in it becomes the enemy. There only need is to discredit the validity of truth in regard as to how you got ptsd. Do not opt for the new fast track plan they have out now. First they will tell you forget about back pay..all those years we screwed you we want you to forget due to our incompetence. Go fed judge go lawyer and tell the v.a. go to hell.Oh and all that ptsd treatment I didnt get they billed me for and took away my whole check I got for non connected to pay it. Leaving me no rent food etc. A dr.made them stop explaining I was homeless and had been for about 2 years at that point. Unable to feed myself or my service dog for ptsd I again accepted money from mom who didnt have it to give. The salvation army gave a chance by helping me with charity food .I could go on and on for 12 years about the v.a. as I worked for them for. 10 years and I saw it all..Wish me luck as I wish you guys luck with this broke ass system
I'm 100% sure SERE training caused my PTSD. Between simulated POW interrogations, we weren't allowed to sleep for 72 hrs and were all blasted with high volume noises (distorted music, hearing women screaming, hearing people actually being tortured mixed in with recorded audio, etc.) The lines between reality and what was training got blurred pretty fucking fast.
All I have are copies of my orders of where SERE training was conducted. SERE training is still classified to the best of my knowledge. Do I have any chance at all at proving this training even exists to the VA?
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